An interesting thing I learned about violence

You know as soon as I say that I feel like what I post, you will all say, oh no, we all already knew that, and you were the one not paying attention and staring out the window.

But I will forge ahead in my foolish shoes that have all the mud that angels fear on them.

So back to my IRL friend Marlie, that doesn’t blog but should. Marlie is an adoptee like MEEEEEEEE, Marlie got married ridiculously young like meeeeeee. Age 17. ( I was 16 ha ha, she was an old maid…)

She married a man, and loved and supported him for 8 years, and then, and then he took out a gun, no first he took out a stethoscope, and found his heart, then he put a special piece of tape on it, so he would know where it was, and then he took out a gun, and he put hollow point bullets inside of it, hollow point, this experience taught me, explode once they make contact, so when he shot out his heart he actually left 5 small bullet holes in the wall behind him.

She came home from work with a video. He didn’t watch it.

I am not meaning to write about this part of it, but I will have to anyway now I realize, so I go up to see her, and scrub floors because you know the police don’t do this, she called me and said, “you have to come, my mom (adoptive) is coming, you have to protect me” So I did. She was raised in a religion that doesn’t accept gays, her brother is gay, although he is a real kid.

At one point after all the details were being taken care of and death has a lot of details, we all went out for dinner, me, Marlie, her natural half brother Jake, Her abrother (real kid) Max, and her amom. God it seems like at least two someone else’s but I can’t remember who, we were a big table. Amom starts relating some hilarious story about how Marlie was a difficult child. And then accentuates it with, “of course no one told us this at the adoption agency Something about how she snuck out once when she was 14.

Max says, “like they got that much choice with me” as an aside to Marlie, Yeah Max!

Then amom starts to relate a story about how I was a horrible child as well, (she was a friend of my amom) and I turned to her and with ice in my eyes say, “you know, I am no longer 14, but I would be happy to tell you all a story about something I have done while drunk, who wants to hear it?” I mean if you want to humilate me, lets get to it. P.S. I was never a shitty teenager, I wish I had been.

I have an innate gift for shutting people down. No one wanted to hear it. Their loss.

Okay, so years pass, Marlie decides to go and save the world, I can’t think of a more compassionate candidate to do that.

She is at a training on how to deal with domestic violence, with the victims of domestic violence. She calls me in tears later.

Marlie: “I sat there in tears, for the first time in my life I felt like people were talking about my story with my husband, I went there as an outsider, but realized that all the years I spent with A. before he died, all the years that I felt like if I didn’t do the perfect thing, if I failed him he would kill himself, he didn’t threaten my life, but it was just the other side of the same coin, it was a constant threat of violence, a constant fear of loss of life, it made more sense to me than all the su*icide survivors groups I tried to go to” (She tried to go to the groups but found them so false and patronizing that she actually stood up and told them all to go fuck themselves, I heart Marlie) ” I was his prisoner”

Of course she finds this very conflicting because she loved him deeply and yet he caused her great harm, and abandonded her once again.

So what does this have to do with adoption in my adoption blog? I am glad you asked.

I thought of that today, when thinking of adoptees who have hidden reunions, hidden feelings, when I hear aparents say it would “kill them” if their adoptee searched or thought they had another parent.

Adoptees saying, “I can’t tell my aparents, it would kill them”

Maybe their aparents never explicitly told them this, maybe they did. Regardless, they got the message.

And they don’t find it violent, because like Marlie they were convinced their aparents were the victims.

They don’t find it abusive to be held hostage to such a needy demand.

I do.

What is the other side of that coin?

The other side is I will kill you.

I will devastate YOU.

I will make you disappear.

I will cut you off.

I will make you feel tremendous guilt.

I will make you feel responsible for my life.

Not good. Not good.

Not a healthy loving response from a parent, and don’t cry to me about how old your parents are, it doesn’t matter, unconditional love is just that , unconditional, children deserve that.

We all deserve that.

It is nothing short of abusive.

I make no apologies for acknowledging that as I did today, I only hope that people who are held to that, can acknowledge it for what it is as well, and give themselves a bit of self love and heal from it, and stop making posts about how righteous and pissy they are.

16 Responses to this post.

  1. Excellent comparision Joy…it really is a sick syndrome because it is so insidious with devistating long-term consequences and normally not seen – as you aptly describe. No one deserves it and no one should ever have to live in that kind of fear. Violence doesn’t mean broken bones and bruises necessarily… the precursor is fear, guilt and powerlessness.

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  2. Wow – lots to think about Joy- never thought of it that way. Great post.
    Great comment also Leroy.

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  3. Posted by kippa on March 27, 2007 at 3:50 pm

    “I make no apologies for acknowledging that as I did today”
    Why would anyone expect you to?
    It’s ONLY (Bwaa ha ha – “only”. Such a great word) the truth.

    This kind of emotional blackmail happens in non-adoptive families as well, but I’m sure the threat feels even more dire for an adopted person.

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  4. This is exactly why I get so angry when people tell me I have hurt their feelings or “attacked” them simply by stating my own personal position based on my own personal experience. When I apologize for it, I get even angrier (but then it’s at myself). I gotta stop apologizing, because that tends to make the whole thing escalate, makes it all worse.

    I get angry because it feels like violence against me in the sense that it leaves a threat hanging in the air – like if I restate or say anything further, it would be like hurting them more, like I should just shut up so THEY will be okay. Which makes me feel I’m being held hostage, like it’s not okay to say how it is for me or else it will hurt someone.

    Oh hell, where am I going with this?

    Did I get it all backwards? I’m tired.

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  5. Oh, I know what you are talking about Julie.

    I get that too, “you’re breaking my heart.” from aparents

    I am actually not, I actually don’t have that power.

    And the underlying message that the child in question’s heart being broken is of no consequence.

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  6. I’ve often said it’s no wonder I’ve got this extreme superiority complex at times. My super-villian abilities to destroy lives, families and hearts from my mere desire is overwhelming.

    I get stupid over it because at this age I still refuse to believe at times I am entitled to my hurt. On an intellectual level yes, but years of operant conditioning tell me otherwise.

    What was repeated to me: I got the best deal out of all of us. I should take care of them. I should look out for them. Don’t destroy mom 1’s life. Dont’ destroy mom 2’s feelings.

    Blah.

    Thank you for saying it’s abusive.

    I like Joy.

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  7. I know who youre talking about. I love to read her blog because she deliberatly says things that will cause strong reactions. Mostly I just want to slap her. Sometimes I seriously wonder if she is even adopted or an adoptive mother. I swear some of the things she says are so out there that she cant be real. Some of the comments are a real whoot too.

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  8. Posted by ani on March 28, 2007 at 3:41 am

    uhhh i am out of the loop here,,

    wanna tell or give a link,,

    me wanna be nosy,,
    ani

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  9. Posted by Justice on March 28, 2007 at 5:56 am

    I’m with ani…

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  10. That is funny Amy I have heard the same things you are saying from other people even though I have no idea who you are talking about.

    A lot of adoptees wait until their parents are killed by something else before they search, that to me is sooo sad.

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  11. This is another reason why I think the mothers can better do the search.

    I think it takes the pressure off our sons and daughters.

    Whatever you do and however you do it there will be someone saying why it’s wrong.

    I know one man whose parents said to him “You must really love us because you never triend to find her….” He was in a secret reunion with his mother and in the end broke the connection for fear of his ad-parents finding out.

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  12. Spot. On.

    I think it’s a perfect parallel that you draw here! How awesome that Marlie has a friend like you.

    My husband was forced by his mother to go “take care of” a sceene like you did when he was a kid. NOT cool. Can you imagine making your child take care of that? That bitch mother of his….worthless. Marlies mother too, not appreciating and supporting her daughter, especially at that time! What are these people thinking?! Selfish. Thank God she had you there.

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  13. awesome post. very thought provoking. i agree with you 100 percent.

    E.

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  14. This scares me: ” I thought of that today, when thinking of adoptees who have hidden reunions, hidden feelings, when I hear aparents say it would ‘kill them’ if their adoptee searched or thought they had another parent. . . . Maybe their aparents never explicitly told them this, maybe they did. Regardless, they got the message.”

    It scares me because it means adoption itself can take away my children’s right to own their own experience, their families, their relationships. And it scares me that there are a-parents who don’t realize it, and feed the fire by adding their own dose of guilt.

    Hard to recognize, but important. Thanks, Joy.

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  15. Posted by joy on March 31, 2007 at 7:28 am

    YES,

    It is the tyranny of the weak and down with that!

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  16. Posted by momseekingpeace on April 5, 2007 at 7:22 am

    So does this saying count? “It was the worst day of my life when she found you”

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